Time Out for Something Spiritual: Hierarchy …with the Persian Gentleman

Time Out for Something Spiritual: Hierarchy …with the Persian Gentleman

Notes: This is a transcription of one of the four podcasts recorded in March 2024 during which the Persian Gentleman made a surprise appearance to speak on the chosen topics.

Tony: It looks like Michael has been joined again by the Persian Gentleman. I do know that the title of the talk today is Hierarchy and so I am going to hand over now to Michael.

Michael: Yes, I’ve got to get myself out of the way again, Tony; and the Persian Gentleman is saying that he loves to explode and deconstruct myths – he loves nothing more because it amuses him. And he says that, in talking of spiritual hierarchy, he has to focus on the need for the human mind to quantify things.

The Persian Gentleman:

The human mind likes to put things into groups in terms of numbers and to attribute mysticism to certain numbers. And so you will see in a lot of areas that a certain number of dimensions, for example, are spoken about with regard to the spiritual realms; or a certain number of ‘councils’ and meetings of particular spirits; or an elevated status attributed to spirits who have reached a certain point in their evolution …and, from our point of view, all this means nothing.

Now that is shocking, isn’t it? It all means nothing because I have to begin this short talk by saying that we are all created as equal facets of God. And, yes, spirits are on different levels of understanding (just as spirits on Earth within a physical body are on different levels of understanding) but at core we are all equal.

So, I am on a different level of understanding than Michael and Tony, but that doesn’t mean that I am in any way greater than Michael and Tony or have ascended into a different hierarchy and am proud of that. I am an equal spirit, an equal facet of God to Michael and Tony and to each of you listening to this podcast. And, yes, there are groups of spirits that work together to determine the path that a spirit will take once it incarnates on Earth [reference to the Lords of Karma]. There has to be that order; there has to be that input to ensure that certain signposts are met in the lives of each spirit in order that that spirit might grow, advance and become more spiritually aware. But those groups of spirits do not regard themselves in any way as being greater than the lives that they are put in charge of temporarily.

There are spirits that visit us on our level of consciousness from higher levels of consciousness …and there are spirits that visit them …and then there are angelic beings (and that is a whole different discussion).

But, again, whether I am talking to an angel or to someone from my group, or whether you are seeking to connect with higher vibrations – the vibrations are higher but the spirits are only ‘higher’ in that they have reached a certain point of understanding that is not yet available to you but which they are seeking to make available.

So, yes, there are meetings …yes, there are decisions made …yes, there are different levels of being, but those spirits never come through to connect to souls on Earth to say, ‘I am this. I am that.’ The only ‘I am’ that they are interested in is the I AM from the centre, which is: ‘I am God and so are you.’

So, let that be a protection for you.

If you are seeking spiritually, if you are mediumistic, if you are able to see spirits – if those spirits come through with an attitude that they are greater than you, that they are someone who can take charge of your life and that they are someone you should follow – run away in the opposite direction because they are not coming from the right place. And I want to refer to Michael’s experience, in that for the decades he has worked with us (a spiritual group that he recognises and sees as beings of Light) never once have any of those spirits said, ‘I am greater than you,’ …never once have any of those spirits said, ‘I am taking charge,’ …never once have any of those spirits said, ‘Follow me,’ …never once have any of those spirits hinted at a hierarchy whereby they are higher than Michael or anyone on Earth. If they were to do so, they would not be a part of our group.

And the angelic beings that come through (and Michael has seen and spoken to angels on occasion) never did the angel say: ‘I am a great angel coming through to communicate with you.’ What they do say is: ‘There is a great message that I wish to communicate to you, and that great message is of benefit to you in your unfolding journey of becoming more than you are at the moment.’

So, hierarchy is something that the human mind imposes on states of being because it is used to hierarchy on Earth. You are used to looking at yourselves from the perspective of ‘I am this but I am not that.’ That imposition of hierarchy does not apply in spiritual actuality – it is a myth.

We are all one. We are all equal. Our understanding is not equal, but that is simply because some of us are in a position where we have not yet learned things that other spirits can teach to us.

And, I have to conclude this by saying that the ultimate hierarchy, you would suppose, is that God is greater than the individual. And, again, that is a myth because God and the individual are the same thing. So, the individual has the equal importance of the Whole, and the Whole has the equal importance of the individual.

It gives me great pleasure to sweep away that misconception that many souls have because they have been told that there are various hierarchies, various organisations and various spirits that will address themselves as this and that.

No, if a spirit wishes to elevate you and is coming from the right perspective of advanced spiritual knowledge, then all that spirit seeks to do is impart that knowledge. It is not about the ego! It is about the information; it is about the Love that can be transmitted; and it is about the wish for everyone on this planet to elevate themselves back into spiritual consciousness and to leave behind the negative aspects of society and of your world at present.

Tony: PG, thank you so much for that. Am I right in saying that our physical minds love the complexity and create an impression of the spiritual realms as a hierarchy because that’s what we are living out on Earth at the moment?

The Persian Gentleman: Yes, you project that onto what is to come. When you investigate what is to come and understand what is to come, that perspective falls away. It is no longer necessary. Tony: PG, thank you very much indeed.